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Joseph Meyer Engelser Engelsman, birth 1783 Amsterdam, 'Circumcisions and Births in Amsterdam 1697-1811, by Jits v.Straten':
on 24 Mar 1776 [!] - circumcision of Joseph ben Meyer Engelsman in the great synagogue.
, died 24 MEI 1850 Amsterdam, Muiderberg cemetery: Joseph Meyer Engelsman, 83[?] yrs.old, a married man, deterioration, lived at Amstelstr., occupation: in fruits, son of Meyer Joseph Engelser Engelsman and Judith Jettele Nathan Dijs
Poorlist 1809 Amsterdam: on the list under nr. 29.11: Joseph Meyer = Joseph ben Meyer Engelscher, 32 yrs.old, married, in fruits, with 1 son of 10, and 1daughter of 8 yrs.
Event: was naturalized 9 Jan 1812 Amsterdam assumption of name Engelser; then living at Houttuinen, 28 yrs.old, married to Saartje David, with 1 son Nathan, 10 yrs.old, and 1daughter Hanna, 8 yrs.old.

Married 1798 Amsterdam, dtb 644/49; witn.groom: f.Meyer Joseph; witn.bride: f.David Meyer [?].
[it is possible, that this couple had an premature child: in 1797 - circumcision of 'Selig Bloemenman of Serre, by whom had Joseph']
Tnaim acharonim on 11 Cheshvan 5559 in act 5559/2;
groom: Joseph ben Meyer m.h.l;
bride: Tserle, accompanied by father David b"r Selig z.l;
mother bride: Debora bat Hirsch z.l;
brother groom: Nathan ben Meyer;
bride's father signs: David ben Ruben Isaac.
Sara Tserla David Roos, birth 1778 Amsterdam, daughter of David Salomon Seligman Bloemenman v.Anspach and Debora Hartog
1) Nathan Joseph Engelsman, birth ONG 1799 Amsterdam
Event: event FROM 25 Aug 1821 TO 30 MRT 1827 Amsterdam death of children: G.A.A. Amsterdam - death registrations:
on 25 Aug 1821 - Jozef Nathan Engelsman, 3 months old, son of Nathan Jozef Engelsman & Betje Andries Molenman.
on 21 Nov 1821 - Judic Nathan Engelsman, 1 yr.& 9 months old, daughter of Nathan Joseph Engelsman, 23 yrs.old & Betje Andries Meuleman.
Notifier: Andries Barend Meuleman, 53 yrs.old, grandfather.
on 6 Aug 1825 - Saartje Nathan engelsman, 2 days old, daughter of [Nathan] Joseph Engelsman, 26 yrs.old & Betje Andries Meuleman.
on 30 Mar 1827 - Andries Nathan Engelsman, 2 months old, son of Nathan Joseph Engelsman, 28 yrs.old & Betje Andries Meuleman.
(info courtesy of Dini Hansma)

Married 21 Aug 1822 Amsterdam, G.A.A. Amsterdam: Nathan Joseph Engelsman, 23 yrs.old, son of Joseph Engelsman & Sara David, and
Betje Andries Meuleman, 20 yrs.old, daughter of Andries Barend Meuleman & Kaatje Jacob Walg.
(info courtesy of Dini Hansma, Utah, U.S.A.)
Betje Peyer Andries Meuleman, birth ONG 1802 Amsterdam, daughter of Andries Barend Baruch Meuleman and Kaatje Chaya Jacob Walg P"K-Grishaber
not mentioned by name assumption ?
2) Johanna Naatje Joseph Engelsman, birth 1801 Amsterdam
Married 24 Feb 1819 The Hague, Jacob Ud, born on 30 Jul 1798 in The Hague, son of Joel Ud & Klaartje Blok, and
Johanna Joseph Engelsman, a.k.a. Naatje Joseph Englsman, born in 1801 in Amsterdam, daughter of Joseph Meijer Engelsman & saartje David Roos.
Jacob Ud, birth 30 Jul 1798 The Hague, son of Joel Mozes Ud and Clara Levie Blok
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